This...is...bullshit.
There are a number of things that children will do, all on their own. With absolutely no prompting from us, children will:
1. Grow
2. Develop
3. Learn
4. Play
5. Eat
6. Sleep
7. Heal
8. Reproduce (eventually)
9. Empathize
10. Love
I promise.
We are a society that values individuality, efficiency, and competition. I'm not saying that these are bad qualities - but unchecked and unbalanced, they simply do not allow for children. We are a society focused on "getting things done" - getting to the end product - with, all-too-often, complete disregard for the method we use for doing so, when, in fact, this method is every bit as important as the final result. We have lost the value of leisure, pleasure, and even simple existence itself. We push our children aside and say, "Here, let me do that for you," instead of saying things like, "Please help me do this." The problem is NOT that our children want to help us wash the dishes, even though we are apparently (for some unknown reason other than the importance of washing dishes) in a terrible hurry; the problem is that we place too much value in breakable dishes.
When my child has a tantrum, it is not my job to put an end to it. He will not tantrum forever. He WILL (as long as I don't interfere with the process) learn to regulate his emotions through social learning and the natural development of brain cells. It is my job to see him through it. It is my job to find out why he is upset (because there is ALWAYS a reason) and it is my job to either help him accept the problem, help him find a solution to the problem, or just let him be upset about the problem for as long as he needs to. It is NOT my job, as a parent, to try and distract him, pacify him, discipline him, train him, or otherwise shut him up for the sake of not disturbing other people (who probably could do with a little more patience and self-regulation themselves) or in order to produce "well-behaved" children (which is something that has become a bragging right - a way to showcase your little pets to all your family and friends and say, "Look what a good parent I am - I've trained me a kid!").
Of course, our culture does not value intangibles. Not really. We spout Romantic ideals of love, happiness, and other equally bohemian scapegoats, but our actions speak much louder than words. We only value honesty because it keeps crime rates down and boosts public morale, which ups production. We value self-esteem because confident workers are hard workers. We value love and happiness - but only if we can squeeze them in while earning a good living so as not to depend on anyone besides ourselves for food and shelter. All children have physical needs and non-physical needs. The physical needs are things like food, shelter, clothing; the non-physical needs are things such as parental attachment, bonding, socialization, trust, love, emotional reciprocity, and security. We have become such a materialistic society that we place the highest value on the physical needs of the child, and neglect everything else. Don't believe me? Which do most Americans think is worse: A parent who works hard 40+ hours a week to feed and clothe their children, but has to send them to daycare to do so; or a parent who stays home or works minimal hours so they can be with their children, but has to depend on government aid for food and housing? Most people would tell the second parent to get off their ass and go to work. How many would tell the first parent to stay home? Why? The working parent is filling their child's physical needs, but is leaving the non-physical needs to be filled by someone else (I know, I know, not ENTIRELY, but they are not optimizing their bonding and emotional availability etc. with their children - that's my point). The second parent is filling their child's non-physical needs, but leaving the physical needs to be filled by someone else. The problem is, the child's non-physical needs, in reality, can ONLY be optimally - strike that...adequately fulfilled by the parent. Only the mother can bond with a child the way a mother can. Only the primary caregiver can form proper attachment with the child. ANYONE can give a kid food and a place to stay. Anyone. So why is it that we hold up the working parents who "sacrifice everything" for their kids - who work hard to give them food and shelter, which anyone can theoretically provide, but who neglect to optimize bonding and attachment? And why do we condemn "lazy" parents who choose to stay home with their children and provide the kind of bonding and love that ONLY a parent can provide, even if it means they have to depend on other people to help provide something as trivial as food? Are we, as a society, not completely backward on this? Sure, even I used to say things like, "Can't feed 'em? Don't breed 'em." That was before I had children. That was before I knew and loved my kids. How many people in the work force can really say that they know their children as much as they'd like to (or ought to)? What about, "Don't know 'em? Don't grow em."Hmmm..."Can't love 'em? Don't shove 'em." Eh, a bit of a stretch there. "No mirth? Don't birth." ??? Ok, well, you get the idea. The point is, we need a serious value overhaul, because our society, as it stands, is NOT kid-friendly, and whether we like it or not, kids will rule the world someday.

Ridiculous! Pretty sad that you get to stay home and live off the government while others go to work so they can support their children. Don't you know that all those people you are degrading for working instead of staying home with their children are the ones that are putting food on your table. Be grateful and then maybe one day get a job and try to payback all the money you are mooching off of all the hardworking people out there.
ReplyDeleteSeriously! I stay home because we can AFFORD for me to. We still paid 10K in income taxes last year for people like YOU to stay home and live off of. Really. Get your degree and show your kids that being a working parent is better then looking for hand outs because you 'want' to stay home.
ReplyDeleteYou have got to me kidding me! I am not working 40 hours a day every day just so I can buy shit for my child. I am working those hours so that my child has a damn roof over her/his head and food in her/his belly that I PAID FOR! I am not in a situation where I can sit on my ass and collect gov. help when I am physically and mentally able to. You really should quit trying to be a know it all and just state your opinions instead of TELLING us that we are wrong because YOU think we are. Get over yourself and let your children be children and stop making them act like adults already.
ReplyDeleteCute. First of all, I have a degree. Two, actually. I got my Master's Degree so that I can have the option of working part-time hours while making enough money to live on, so that I DON'T have to be away from my children 40+ hours a week. There is nothing flawed in my logic, and it is quite obvious that none of these chicken-shit anonymous comments reflect any sort of understanding of my true meaning. Of course, this is what America has come to - we value "hard work" but let true intelligence slip through the cracks in the system. Of COURSE I know that others are putting food on my table. That was my point. At least I can sleep well knowing that I am able to provide my family with what is REALLY important MYSELF - without having to rely on strangers to raise my kids. I worked for over 10 years and paid into the system, and when my kids are older, I will do so again. I don't agree with taxes at all, but, unfortunately, that's how our government works. I think people should raise their kids to WANT to help others when they need it, but we don't - we raise them with an "every man for himself" mentality, which forces us to create government programs instead of just helping our community in a responsible manner. Any idiot can feed my kids (and these comments prove that they do). I am ensuring that my children get the very BEST of care by raising them myself. Sure, others are feeding my kids, but you know what? Other people are RAISING yours. Which is worse. That was kind of the point. Sorry you missed it.
ReplyDeleteI just CANNOT believe that you value raising children properly over having an upstanding title at a job! It is SOO embarrassing that you would let someone help you as a fellow human being (government aid, paid for thru taxes). Don't you have any pride in yourself? Parenting is obviously all about your social status.
ReplyDeleteI also don't understand how you can live with yourself collecting aid from tax payers' legally REQUIRED contribution to these UNITED States. I mean, everyone knows the word 'united' has no meaning at all. It doesn't mean that we are all united as a free people, willing to sacrifice not only for our own family but fellow UNITED STATES citizens' families. Those people in some of the third world countries have it down correctly; watch out for only yourself and screw everyone else. They're doing okay with that method, right?
I say just work as much as possible. Our kids just won't be able to live properly without a fully-furnished home, a handful of cars outside, the latest hi-tech high chair, and of course I have to be able to pay for my families multiple televisions, cable access, and smart phones with unlimited everything plans. You just need to reassess YOUR view of life, Llama, and stop being so dumb.
Hahahahaha! Love it :)
ReplyDeleteFrom what I've seen and heard, I, personally think your kids would be better off under someone elses care. I didn't "miss" your point as you tried to make everyone else feel like. You like to talk down to people and act like you know everything and other people are stupid, but remember, you are the one living off other hard working people. That doesn't make them stupid - don't forget - YOU NEED THEM. Just because you worked for 10 years before you have kids and plan to again doesn't give you the right to mooch of other hardworking people when you are perfectly cabable of getting a fucking job yourself. You are pathetic. If you wanted to be a SAHM, you should have saved the money while you were working or married someone who was capable of providing you with the lifestyle that you wanted. Don't ever forget - you are taking the easy way out.
ReplyDeleteIf you don't like it don't read it. And if must leave a comment leave a comment under who you are don't hide behind anonymous.. I don't understand some of the comments that were left.. but that isn't the point. I don't think we take care of our fellow Americans enough. If the USA has a system like Canada in which working mothers could stay home for a year with paid leave and a guaranteed job upon return maybe we wouldn't have such a discrepancy between mothers/children's needs and the system we live in.. Personally I believe we need to pay more taxes.. but that's just because you cant run a country the way we are. You cant get out of debt by cutting spending.. You have to tax. When most of our major businesses are not only NOT paying taxes but are getting tax breaks.. you cant run a country off of the middle class. The poster.. happens to live very frugally. She reuses everything she can she has a small business out of her home. She is an amazing person and a great mother.. You say she spouts fact she states her feelings. This is HER blog. She is entitled to do so..
ReplyDeleteThen work part time if you can. Stop living off our tax dollars. If you wanted to stay home so bad maybe you should have married a man that made enough for you to be able to stay home. Its truly sad that you have a degree and supposedly could get a job, but choose to live off of government dollars that are meant for people that truly need it. Grow up and become an adult. Learn that there are responsibilities we have when you decide to spread your legs and have a child. Government assistance isn't meant to be there so you can stay home and be such a "role model" of a Mother, its meant for people who get in a bind and need it until they can get on their feet again. Stop popping out kids and support the ones you have on your own. If you want to be a stay at home Mom so bad the go earn the right to be one. Don't think you are entitled to it, because you are definitely not.
ReplyDeleteYou are relying on strangers to raise your kids. They are the ones feeding and sheltering them.
ReplyDeleteDo you think you are helping your kids???? As a parent you should be teaching them how to live in todays society! Like it or hate it this is the world you chose to have kids in and they need to learn how to live/survive in it, that means what is acceptable behavior and what is not. One day they will work and need to learn to accept authority, not everyone will believe your kids are "always right"
ReplyDeleteI like how this post started- I agree with a lot of it & like that you put it out there for people who may have never considered these things. I am not the biggest fan of the second part of this post though. I feel that it is taking advantage of the system- I understand where you are coming from & I agree that being a parent is the most important part of a person's life. I think that we are dramatically different in how we go about this though. I too went to school for a grad degree (MLIS). I see it as my insurance policy. I put in 8 years working so I would have a base to fall back on, if needed. When looking for a life partner I found someone who could afford the lifestyle that I needed in order to raise my children in the manner that I felt necessary. I knew that I would never be able to leave my children to work so I only dated people who also had that belief & could actualize it. When my DH & I decided to get pregnant we discussed all our back-up plans if something happened with his business- we figured that I could work nights if needed (at a menial job just to make food money) or I could take in a child or two during the day. If his business went under we would not be able to collect unemployment as he is the employer- so while we pay into the system, we can never get anything out of it. While we are not planning to homeschool we are also not planning to send our children to public school- so, paying insane taxes to live in our house but not benefitting there either. We pay our own medical insurance and would pay for Rhian's Early Intervention therapist but they will not let us (despite our protests). We are as anti-govn't as a family comes & we prove it through our lifestyle. We are also pro-SAHP & set up our life to make sure that that could happen too.
ReplyDeleteI think the original post has it right. Every one of us working mothers (myself included) ought to quit our jobs, apply for welfare and stay home and raise our kids. Obviously, the welfare system can handle such a burden. We should not be concerned about the lack of impact we have outside of our families, to hell with those kids that the working mother social worker helps. To hell with the children being sold to human traffickers that a working mother is working to help. To hell with the life saving research a working mother is doing to save preemies. We should be instilling in them that working mothers have no place in the professional world. We should not worry about the impact a completely motherless job force would have on our everyday lives, we should not even think twice about the businesses that will go under. We should rejoice in the fact that our men will have access to more jobs and will not even have to be as educated or face as much competition as they once did. We really should strive to limit the amount of time women generally have in the work force anyway. We all know women aren't as smart as men, really this is the perfect solution. It will certainly ensure our children step in the real world in the possible way. Male hands and motherless women are the best people to shape our justice system, our government, our economy and our environment!
ReplyDeleteIn case you missed the point- that was sarcastic. Working mothers DO have a place in the work force. Working mothers do not result in the “De- Parent- Ing” of our children. It all depends on the situation and the family. I, for one, work from home, have a nanny and can set aside work anytime my heart or my child's heart desires. I don’t consider my child worse for the wear or that I’ve allowed some one else to “raise” my child because I work. My nanny comes in after my child has been up for a couple of hours, had breakfast and either has play/art/music time or they go to the park or a class, depending on the day. Then the nanny warms up the home cooked food I’ve prepared for the week for my child for lunch. Some more free play. Then it’s naptime. My child sleeps for a few hours and while my child naps the nanny leaves and either my husband or I take over once my child is up. The ONE meal a day and maximum four and a half hours of playtime with the nanny a day do not equal the nanny raising my child. I am home. I see my child through out the day. I kiss skinned knees. If my child has a hard time falling asleep, I am here to snuggle. If my child wants to pop into my office to say hello or tell me about the amazing thing he saw/heard I’m here. If there is anything my child needs or even wants, I’m here to provide it. All the while, I contribute to my family income and the world at large. You may think you have it all figured out, it sounds like you have FOR YOUR FAMILY. You’ve been a parent for just over two years; there is plenty of time left for you to change your philosophy (by the way- I thought you were planning a 1st birthday tradition of piercing your children’s ears? Hopefully Ruby has the same coming of age ceremony? http://leakingllama.blogspot.com/2010/04/leonidas-update-12-months.html). Remember, it was just over two years ago you thought- “Can’t feed ‘em? Don’t breed ‘em!” Let’s meet back here in twenty years and compare where our kids are.
Are you serious right now? I work a full 40 hr work week and my son is in daycare 5 days a week. Daycare that I pay for, not the government. My son and I have a bond no one can break so I think it's pretty disgusting that you would say working parents can't bond the way a SAHM mom does. If I didn't work then we wouldn't have a house to live in, healthy food on the table, toys to play with, money to do outside activities etc... But that's right, if I stayed home and lived off the system I would be a better mother because Im home 24/7?? I don't think so. It's that attitude that raises the wrong values in children. I am there whenever my son needs me. I know my son better than anyone, I know when he is sick, I know when he wants something to play with, I know when he is sad, I know when he needs cuddles and kisses, I know everything about him, so how dare you sit on your holier than thou government funded pedestal and talk down to parents who provide your "glamorous" lifestyle. For you to sit there and tell people you are a better parent because you are a government junkie is disgusting. Enjoy your lap of luxuary lifestyle that people like myself pay for.. What a sad sad way to live. What a sad set of values you are providing your children...
ReplyDelete"Erin" - I love how you said that you "agree with the original post" and then proceeded to state a lot of things that were NEVER stated OR implied in the original post! I could reply to all of these forever, but I would just be repeating myself. These comments are stating things that I, MYSELF, have already stated - yet stating them as if they are radical "news." It is quite obvious by the replies that most people are not actually reading or understanding my post. I have already successfully refuted the so-called arguments being presented here. I wrote this blog to defend myself, and others took it as an attack. I don't need to compare my children with anyone else's children to see the results of our society's parenting - the results are quite evident in these responses!
ReplyDeleteWhere have you successfully refuted anything? I have read your replys a couple times now and I can't seem to find any successful attempts anywhere. I think what this whole post boils down to is you trying to make yourself feel better about taking hand outs from the government and not choosing to do the right thing. You are letting others take care of your responsibilities.
ReplyDelete"Glamorous lifestyle"? LMFAOLMFAOLMFAO!!!!!!!!
ReplyDeleteI haven't laughed this hard in a long time. Apparently I am considered a piece of shit for not working hard enough to provide my wife and kids the ability to stay at home comfortably. The fact that we constantly wonder if we can pay bills on time, constantly wonder how to pay to get the car fixed so the kids can make it to a play date, etc. is sure fucking glamorous!!
But that's none of your business and I wouldn't expect you to be able to understand it all. You were probably raised thus, anyway; a college degree, white picket fence, pets, cars, cable, etc. are basic necessities for a family to flourish and for your child to have the correct perception of life and be an upstanding citizen, right?
I know who I fucking am. I know who my fucking family is. I know my wonderful children and what they will fucking value. You WILL N....E....V...E...R...be able to understand.
Now that we are established and you know what a piece of shit I am and what a horrible parent I am, I will end this with compassion and civility...err...nah...I'll end it with a FUCK YOU :D
And although a lot of you seem to be lacking the ability to read something a person writes and gather what they REALLY meant, I am Lea's husband. I'm sure you won't mistake what I wrote. Now you know. :)
I am not letting others take care of any more responsibilities than the working parent. Others are feeding my kids, and others are babysitting yours. I see a whole lot of people trying to make THEMSELVES feel better for having to go to work. I don't need to try and make myself feel better. I make my choices based on my values. I don't claim that you are wrong in your decisions, yet you claim that I am wrong in mine. Why can't we just have differences in opinions and values?
ReplyDeleteI am attacking NO ONE, yet all of the negative replies are from people attempting to DEFEND themselves. Let me just say, that a person who defends himself without being attacked does so out of personally felt guilt and shame. I don't feel guilty or shameful for my choices, because I HONESTLY believe my decisions are THE VERY BEST I can make for my family, and it is obvious that you feel the same way - anyone who DOESN'T believe they are making the best decisions for their family is not trying hard enough.
I just don't understand where the hatred is coming from. My husband works full-time, I have a home business, and we have both attempted to find work over the past two years. My husband was laid off shortly after we had our first child, when we found out we were pregnant with our second. I worked for FREE while pregnant with my second child to finish school. Then I had a baby, started a business (that frankly, isn't cutting it), and am currently applying for work. Does that make a difference to anyone? It shouldn't, but sadly, I KNOW that it will. It is absolutely SHAMEFUL that, although I have revealed more of myself in writing my posts and replies than any of you have, reveling the fact that my husband and I actually ARE in the workforce will probably be my ONLY redeeming quality in the eyes of these short-sighted "anonymous" parents.
You constantly worry about money and leach off the taxpayers... so now's a good time to pop out some more, right? Sounds like a great plan to me! Glad as fuck I don't live in California ;)
ReplyDeleteI was actually raised by a single Mother who worked her ass off cleaning peoples homes to support us and she never took a dime from the government. She saw us as her responsibility, not the taxpayers. It's called having a little pride, obviously something you both lack. We went with out many things especially around Holidays. So don't try to tell me how I was raised. It's not my job as a taxpayer to feed your Children because your wife wants to stay at home with her kids. She said she has degrees and could find a job. Well maybe she should go find a job instead of taking money that is there for people that can't work or hit hard times for a short while. Like I have said before, grow up and take care of your responsibilities that you chose to have. Do the taxpayers get a say in if you decide to have anotherkid or not? We should since we are feeding them.
ReplyDeleteI have to say that I take offense to the fact that there are people out there like you taking advantage of programs that are meant for people that actually really truly need them (and no I don't think you do). I am a single mother and I am unemployed at the moment and I am receiving food stamps and the government issued insurance. If I didn't have those two things I would be homeless and unable to feed me child right now, there are many many times when I can't pay the bills and something gets shut off. To top that off they keep cutting my benefits and amount of money I get. If the system wasn't so burdened right now and riddled with those that take advantage I might not be so worried about if we will still be able to stay in our apartment month after month because the benefits would go to those that really need them. This is the longest I've been unemployed my whole life. My parents owned their own businesses for the first 14 years of my life and I have been working since I was about 8 years old, I worked through high school and the two years of college I attended. I am just finishing up my online classes so I can get certification and go back to work again to provide for my child. I am not brainwashed as you like to say, I know what I've lived and what I am living and working makes me supermom to my daughter.
ReplyDeleteIf you wonder how to pay your bills every month then maybe here's a thought, so stay with me... Tell you wife to get a job!!
ReplyDeleteShe sat here and called us all bad mother pretty much for working to provide a lifestlye for my family. You know what, I have money in the bank, a college fund for my son and self respect. I never had a picket fence, or all the luxuries you seem to think, so I vowed to make sure I gave my son the best up bringing I could. I am instilling the proper values in him. Work hard in life to achieve your goals, not sit at home and collect goverment money from us WORKING MOTHERS and then turn around and call us horrible mothers because we can't apparenlt bond or possible know what our cildren want or need.
Your languarge just goes to prove what kind of home you raise your children in and what kind of lifestyle they will have growing up. SAHM's are a wonderful thing, but your wife is making it sound like working mothers are less valuable.
I never said you were a shitty parent or that your wife was, I was merely pointing out that her line of thinking is disgusting. Just remember, us hard working mothers are the ones paying for your childrens food, and the roof over their head. If it wasn't for working mothers you kids wouldn't have food to shit and piss out all over your house, remember that ;)
Now carry on with your awesome lifestyle, I know that my child will be better off in 20 years then yours will. My child will have the proper values and be raised with the utmost respect. I am the parent, not my child. I make the rules, not my child. The kids are not "always right" It is our job as parents to keep them safe, to provide them a happy clean home and to make sure they grow up learing respect and honesty.
I must go and get to bed, so I can go to work tomorrow and make a living, contribute to society and feed your children ;)
ARE YOU FUCKING SERIOUS?!?!?! NOW I'm being told I'm abusing the system because I DO work? I can't win!!! WTF? When everyone thought I was unemployed and on GA, I was lazy. Now that you all find out I'm a business owner with a working husband and that we are BOTH trying to find work, I'm abusing the system? Either way, we are not making enough money and need help, you idiots. So just what kind of situation DOES make it "ok" in your eyes for someone to receive GA? Because apparently non-working and working, but still not making ends meet on a VERY tight budget are BOTH wrong. Who says I'm taking advantage of anything? We work. We don't have luxuries. We need help. Now I'm damned for that, too? Who here raises two kids in Southern California on $1200 a month? Anyone?
ReplyDeleteOh, and do the taxpayers also get a say in how many kids YOU can have? We should, since we're educating them...right? Your logic, after all. Amy, you obviously were educated by the government; otherwise, you would have read all the responses before replying, and you would know that I AM trying to find work. This post is FILLED with responses from people who seem to think that THEY are the only ones who work hard and raise their kids "correctly." Fortunately, all of this adds up to future job security for me, as a marriage and family therapist.
I disagree. Others are feeding yours but others are not paying for my childs daycare. I pay every.single.penny. My child, my responsibility. I don't have to make myself feel better about going to work, I know Im doing the best thing for my family. I do believe that we should defend our reasons, as you sat there and said those that work can't bond properly or don't know their children well enough... I think thats a sad way to think. We all do whats best for our children but I don' t think its fair for you to "bash" others parenting methods or abilities but then expect respect for yours. It works two ways.
ReplyDeleteI think it's great that you get to stay home, but I think it's complete and utter bullshit that you're on welfare. You have internet??? You have a cell phone, too, I bet. Stop taking government assistance and use those funds to feed your kids without food stamps. PS- is someone else raising your kids while you're writing all of these senseless retorts on your blog?
ReplyDeleteNo the taxpayers don't get a say in how many kids we have. We own our home and pay taxes monthly towards the public school system. My Children do not go to school yet, but this is something I have to do and we gladly do it. When my Children are old enough to go to school we will continue to pay those taxes even though they will go to private school. So there is no reason for the taxpayers to have a say in how many children I have. If they went to public school they still wouldn't since I am paying my taxes and not taking any kind of assistance. You say that you are "working". You are making clothes and trying to sell them. Yes that's good you are trying to bring in money, but I don't really think that is working. You are taking a hobby you are good at and trying to bring in a little money. So once again you are choosing to stay home and accept the government handout. Its funny how you say now that you have been looking for work, but in your original post you talk badly of the Mothers that work. How the tune changes when you see how people feel about what you are doing and your choices.
ReplyDeleteThe lack of response to the actual challenges of your hypocrisy are glaring. It's evident that you don't get it. On the one hand you don't work and a stay at home mother, the best thing since sliced bread. On the other hand you are running a business and are a working mother, the kind YOU look down upon. You've admitted several times that your own views change/changed. Putting this nonsense on the web for others to read, as though you are someone who has it figured out after a whopping two years of parenting experience? Asking for a swift kick in the rear by karma. Try to at least NOT be hypocritical!
ReplyDeleteWow, I can't believe you're getting flamed so badly. Maybe it's an American thing? My maternity leave finished in May (I'm in Canada, so I have been living in the lap of luxury on the government's dime too xD) and, since I'm a teacher on call, my job won't start up again until September, and my husband (also a teacher) was laid off and will be teaching on call also, so unless a lot of teachers get sick this year, I will be staying home too and sponging off society and being a useless drain to the human race and whatever else everybody said (after a while I couldn't read for rolling my eyes), since there aren't any joe jobs that would allow me to make enough money to break even after child care. But guess what? Nobody looks down their nose at me or tells me I'm scum because of it. I don't know what GA is like in the US, but in Canada they don't go giving it away willy-nilly, you've got to really need it and you have to have paid into it or you're getting nothing.
ReplyDeleteFeel free to call me a commie, insult my intelligence, call me lazy, whatever. Like Leakingllama, I also happen to think that the system is pretty screwed up and that it really sucks to have to choose between raising your own kids or starving.
GA is definitely a lot easier to get over here in the US. They seem to throw money at just about anyone nowadays.
ReplyDeleteNo one looks down their nose at you, because you actually contributed to the EI taxes. You have a job which starts back up in September. The difference is she thinks its okay to take social assisstance and not have to work... Ever.. Well, sorry not till her kids are older! Great, SAHM are awesome, wish I could do it, but I can't. The point is she was calling us bad mothers (in not so many words) because we work. She was touching on the fact that we cant properly bond and understand our children because we work. I was on Mat leave for 4 mths, and went back because we needed the money. I don't think its fair that she puts herself on the holier than thou pedestal, when she isn't doing anything to be up there. She is mooching off the government and allowing others to pay for her family, all the while thinking its completely okay, because in a few years she will eventually go back to work and contribute again and everything will be sunshine and butterflies. You have a job, she doesn't. Different sory!
ReplyDeleteGill, I never said that working moms don't properly bond with their children. I went to work when my son was 6 months old as well, but I had to work for NOTHING because it was training while I was in school, and necessary for me to graduate. I saw the difference in my son and in our relationship. I didn't say working outside the home produced inadequate bonding - I said that staying home provided optimal bonding. That's all. It was NOT a judgment call. Also, since you pay for everything yourself, this entire post was obviously not aimed at you, so why are you upset?
ReplyDeleteAnd to whoever the fuck the last "anonymous" was, I never said I "didn't work." I said that I didn't GO TO work. Big difference. I work from home. Read the posts.
And to the "anonymous" before that, I am not on welfare, I am borrowing a cell phone, and yes, I pay $50 a month for internet service because I RUN A SOLELY INTERNET-BASED BUSINESS. And no, someone else isn't raising my kids. They do nap AND spend time with their father before he goes to WORK. Get the facts before you stick your foot in your mouth.
Well your comment "The working parent is filling their child's physical needs, but is leaving the non-physical needs to be filled by someone else (I know, I know, not ENTIRELY, but they are not optimizing their bonding and emotional availability etc. with their children - that's my point)." and "So why is it that we hold up the working parents who "sacrifice everything" for their kids - who work hard to give them food and shelter, which anyone can theoretically provide, but who neglect to optimize bonding and attachment?" I'm sorry but that sounds kind of judgemental to working parents. I do "sacrafice everything" as you put it to go to work on a daily basis. I have to in order in survive. I'm glad you have the system to help you out, even if I WANTED to sit my ass on the welfare train I can't because my spouse makes too much money... All the power to you for being able to stay home! I'm upset because you feel the need to judge the working mother. The same mother that provides food for your children. You preach about how you want respect and how others judge your parenting skills or techniques and then you turn around and put down the very people that help you out.
ReplyDeleteAnd I'm sorry, but making clothes from home and selling them on Facebook is not a job. That is a hobby that you happen to make money off of. Do you pay taxes to the governement off the merchandise you sell? I doubt it. So don't try and glamourise it, its not a "job". My point was that if you want respect you have to learn to give it too. You can't walk around spouting off bullshit about working moms and not expect some backlash.
Raise your kids to the best that you can and don't worry about what others are doing. Working parents do what they have to in order to survive. I know my son will be an amazing kid because he has me raising him. Not his daycare provider. I teach him his Abc's and 123's. I taught him all his colours, animals and how to color and play, not a daycare provider. Unless you walk in our shoes, you have no place to judge.
You idiots obviously don't get the use of SARCASM. I see the statements that everyone is referring to, and the point was to demonstrate how RIDICULOUS it would be to put the shoe on the other foot and judge working moms, then apply that to moms who don't go "out" to work and say, "See how dumb that is? So please don't judge ME." I guess people didn't get it. IT WAS SARCASM, FOLKS. I was not actually saying that I agreed with the idea of telling working moms not to have kids! Obviously everyone saw how stupid that would be...but no one looked past their anger with those statements to get the point - YES, it's angering that anyone would judge working moms the way you all thought I did, soooo...it's also equally angering that people would judge ME (which is where this entire rant came from, BTW - as a defense against those judging me). I am NOT judging. I am showing you how dumb it is to judge. Get it?
ReplyDeleteAnd BTW, yes, I DO pay taxes on the merchandise I sell, thanks. I have a legally-operating, licensed business, and I pay sales tax on items sold and all the other taxes I'm supposed to pay as a legitimate business registered with the IRS. I don't judge the value of your job, whatever it may be. I don't tell you that your job isn't good enough or "a real job." I work for hours. I make money. That's called a job, folks. I sometimes stay up all night working because I have to wait until my children are asleep. It has cost me a good bit of money to get my business legally established, and I don't appreciate being treated like I'm just some kid who opened an etsy store to get rid of some old clothes and called it a business.
haha, thats awesome!! It was all sarcasm huh? Funny how now when the tables are turned on you, you resort to the "I was kidding, it was sarcasm" No one in here is calling you any names, yet between you and your husband you are calling people idiots, telling us to fuck off or go fuck ourselves, whatever that brilliant use of the English language was, so Im not sure why the hostility to be honest. You stated an opinion on your public blog, which you are inclined to do, but calling people names and using degrading language towards them because they don't agree with you, is childish. I would hope you wouldn't teach you children that it's okay to speak to people like that.
ReplyDeleteCarry on with your life, and do what you are doing because to you its the best thing. I will continue going to work every single day knowing I am doing the best for child, giving him a positive future, money for a university education, and a path to succeed. I am not ashamed to work and god forbid have someone watch my child for me. I am still his mother, he comes to me for his cuddles and boo boos, not his daycare provider. I work to provide things for my child that he wouldn't get if I was riding the gravy train.
These working mothers feed your children while you stay home and brag about living on the system... Maybe your ends would meet if your husband actually made enough money that you could AFFORD to stay home, instead of worrying how to pay bills every month...
No one was knocking your ways of parenting, but you did not hold back when it came to those of us with jobs. That is sad. We all do what we think is best, I really wish people would would accept that we are not all the same and different things work for every family. Not everyone is going to conform to one set way of life.
No one was knocking my ways of parenting, huh? You have no idea who was calling me a bad mom and what really fueled the writing of this blog. Nothing has changed from the original intent of this. People are just getting embarrassed because they were arguing a "point" that they thought I was making without realizing that what they were saying was what I was saying in the first place - that NO ONE has the right to tell ANYONE not to have children or how to raise them. There's no need to get so defensive just because you think someone has challenged your way of parenting. When working moms get together they commiserate about how hard it is to be away from their kids and how they sometimes feel bad about having to leave - I've seen moms cry over it. If your choice to be a working mom is so perfect, why is it such a hard transition for most people? Why is it that when someone ELSE says, "Yeah, it must be hard not to be able to spend as much time with your kid as you would like to," people start getting all defensive and say, "my kid doesn't feel ANY negative effects from my working and our relationship and bonding are PERFECT." Then they get back together and cry about how they miss their kids. I remember going through the same thing. When I went out to work, our relationship DID suffer. Yes, I still bonded very well with my son, just as I'm sure you do and most working and non-working parent do. I never debated that. But to say that as a working mom you don't sacrifice ANYTHING with regards to your bond is crazy! That's like a SAHM getting mad because you dare suggest that she isn't bringing in as much money as she could. Of course a SAHM could give her child more money, just like a working could give her child more time, if the situation were different. It's not a judgment, and no one looks down on you for anything. It's just a fact. SAHM = less money. Working mom = less time. That's it. No one said working moms don't spend ENOUGH time with their kids - just less. Big deal. Wow. Some people really just don't get it.
ReplyDeleteHey! It's me again - Lea's husband. I really need to make an account on here so I can stop hiding behind this 'Anonymous' bullshit. Anyway. A few issues here that I need to address:
ReplyDelete"Your languarge just goes to prove what kind of home you raise your children in and what kind of lifestyle they will have growing up."
You're right. My languarge is lacking. Thank you for pointing that out so I can correct it. As to my LANGUAGE--that is perfectly fine.
What kind of home SHOULD I raise my children in? Victorian? Maybe like a western type deal? Man I would love to have some of those fancy french windows.
Let me ask you something...err..what was your name again? Oh! That's right! Pussy-ass Anonymous - what exactly decided your immediate judgement call of my home or my lifestyle? Was it actually decided according to intellectual thought? Or was it the oh-so-typical "mommy and daddy said those words are bad" upbringing? I know this all sounds so arrogant and smart-ass, but I am honestly curious. My children will understand ACTUAL values and understand the ENTIRE reason behind those values. They will NOT just be told "those words are bad". They will understand that certain words are distasteful around certain company, and the reason the words are such varies around the globe. They will learn to pay attention to peoples' individually unique feelings. They will, most likely, also understand where said words may have come from and understand the specific meaning behind each word that may be 'taboo'. They may be able to have a better judgement call, accordingly. Anything else on the subject?
"Just remember, us hard working mothers are the ones paying for your childrens food, and the roof over their head. If it wasn't for working mothers you kids wouldn't have food to shit and piss out all over your house, remember that ;)"
Thank you. I will remember that, and it is appreciated. Considering this point was never argued or disagreed with. Although, I pay for the roof over their head, thank you. We receive assistance via food stamps and WIC. Neither of those pay for 'roofs over heads'.
"Now carry on with your awesome lifestyle, I know that my child will be better off in 20 years then yours will."
Now this one should be very fun. Hopefully this will make you feel like an idiot and belittle you and your child(ren) like you just did to me and mine. ;). Setting all of your horrible grammar aside...I would like to know how a unique perspective and opinion can be argued or put to debate? Your child being "better off THAN (not 'then') mine" is merely a matter of perspective and/or opinion. You perceive the way that I speak as an indication that I have no standards, no self-esteem, no goals, no pride, no love, no education, etc., etc. and as such, will pass this to my child. You believe this somehow places yourself and your child above us. Your standard of judgement is probably educational, monetary, and general, all-round snobbishness, I presume.
Dr. Anonymous, PHD - vs. Mr. King, Extreme Janitorial Expert. I like that! It sounds like an awesome Celebrity Deathmatch episode!
"My child will have the proper values and be raised with the utmost respect."
Once again - an opinion and perspective of an individual person! 'The proper values' is extremely opinionated; it varies culture to culture. And are you referring that your children will be taught to have the utmost respect for a person? Or are you referring to yourself raising your children with utmost respect to them? I doubt either of those are actually happening.
"I am the parent, not my child."
Good thing you understand this. It's an important step in the right direction. Good job!.....(continued in next post)
....(continuing from last)
ReplyDelete"I make the rules, not my child. The kids are not "always right"
Well obviously we meant this figuratively. It is a reminder that our children have unique needs that don't conform to what we adults consider normal behavior in society. Can I ask you what your rule is if your son or daughter starts to cry in the middle of a huge crowd and everyone is looking at you? Is the rule to 'shut them up' as quickly as possible, as to avoid embarrassment or the worry that someone may think you are a 'bad' parent? Or is the rule to find out the reason why the child is crying, casting aside anyone else around you or any worry aside from your child(which is supposed to be your ONLY concern in life when you decide that you want to become a parent--I'm sure we're not arguing that point)? And to a certain extent I believe children have a reason for everything they may cry about. Crying is expressing emotion. The reason may not make sense to you, it may not be valid in your mind...but it is their very existence on this Earth to them in that moment. Wouldn't you rather be a part of that with them and solve it rather than shutting them up? Now that may have been a bit off-topic--sorry. But it seems the mainstream behaviour to me.
"It is our job as parents to keep them safe, to provide them a happy clean home and to make sure they grow up learing respect and honesty."
I agree. Although I have no idea what the 'clean' part has to do with anything, lol. And I just want to address the 'happy' home part, also. Correct me if I am misunderstanding that part. I don't think it is realistic, WHATSOEVER, to pretend everyone has a 'happy home'. I don't know exactly how you meant this, as it is from your perspective. But I would hope it doesn't mean that you want to lie to the child(ren) that every moment in their home is to be happy, carefree, and in bliss. Yes, the home should be a comfortable, wonderful, safe place. But it is not always so. I would hope the child(ren) were raised to understand this and to be able to prepare for things that may come....a passing friend or family member, financial trouble, etc. etc. etc. etc.
I am not a fan of lying to children, regardless of their age!
"I must go and get to bed, so I can go to work tomorrow and make a living, contribute to society and feed your children ;)"
Once again, we thank you for this.
Why are most of the responses on here trying to point out what low-lives we are for accepting government aid? And please stop with the insulting, mocking, sadistic tone behind what you say; we also contribute to society as a whole. It may not be as monetarily derived as you--but we do!
....And a little philosophical-food-for-thought here: the majority of businesses that we work for were probably started from government funding, loans, etc.....and--correct me if I'm wrong--isn't our currency in the US provided and produced and monitored by our government? Doesn't the government monitor our security in this country? Doesn't our government monitor the standards that our country thrive on? Doesn't the government monitor our water and food supply? Doesn't the government monitor our children's scholarly life? Doesn't the government monitor the safety standards of the places you shop, eat, buy gas, etc.? Doesn't the government AID you by providing a safe, wonderful country for you to live in? I could go on for hours listing the things our government controls and monitors that involve your every day routine. So shut your damned mouth next time you want to belittle me and mine for 'accepting government aid'.
http://thestir.cafemom.com/baby/116998/lesson_12_working_moms_vs
ReplyDeleteA little satire never hurt, right?